WallStreetBear: A Homeseller's Rant
You can see the original post here. The posting comes courtesy of Wall Street Bear, owned and operated by John Leabeater. The poster is a bearish friend we know as "Crash." In 1997, he shrewdly bought a HUD house in Riverside for about $71,500 for his daughter to live in while she attended school. Due to some unfortunate family circumstances, the family is now selling the house. Being the sharp housing bear that he is, he's been pricing his home very competitively, has had tons of looky-loos traipsing through the place, has seen it fall out of escrow twice... I'll let him continue at this point....
Buyer Canceled. It is becoming abundantly clear that... A plague of real estate agents (more than 500,000 in California), many with ambitions to upgrade to brokers (ours just passed her exams), wanting to join the 30% of agents who are, does not mean better service to sellers and buyers. It does mean new, creative efforts to maximize return with minimal effort. Brokers formerly required agents to hop in the van to review new listings, visit open houses, and generally familiarize themselves with the better portion of the inventory. Now, its an internet search, and abstractions expressed as polished language substitute for real impressions. Consequently, the agent showing our offering is often very surprised at how well it shows. More might show it, if they had better prepared to serve their clients. It is also clear that most clients are shown homes they cannot afford. If they can afford $250K, they are shown ours listed at $329K. Buyers will overreach, and their agents and lenders are pushing them to do so. The Inland Empire market accelerated from a more reasonable base about 2001, when LA/Orange businesses began expanding here to better access a work force that could access affordable housing. The immigration of new business and the overshoot of workforce and their families have bid up housing prices by 140% in six years, and overwhelmed the infrastructure program, with its daily new detours and freeway access interruptions. MetroLink corridor rights purchased years ago cannot be used because developer cronies and neighboring home owners don't want spineless politicians to plan public transportation in their backyard. Our listing at $329K likely would have sold for more than $360K earlier in '06, but now it is headed on a round trip back to an '01 price of $150K. Can we sell it meanwhile, for about $300K, on the way down? That is the question. Turning back the clock a generation, I recall lender guidelines for affordability typically requiring gross income approaching four times housing costs (PITI basis). Now, there are "programs", assisted by County and State if income is within criteria, or by sellers Frown , which pay buyers' closing costs, and more. There are programs for sub 600 FICO scores, some even advertise they do not consider FICO at all. For these, the true interest rate may be several percent above prime mortgage rates, but "you qualify" is the joy that gets spread. I suppose such mortgages are then bundled and resold through Fannie et al, as new threats to investors like us who will park funds in the money market. Frown Many home "buyers" only seek "cheap" housing, mailing in the keys to the lender before payments rise above teaser levels. California makes that so convenient with nonrecourse loans for original purchase. With a nonrecourse loan, only the property is collateral, and not the borrower's income and assets! A foreclosure deficiency cannot be claimed by the lender, and the debt cancellation for the deficiency (when mortgage balance exceeds fair market value ... ie what the lender realizes when he liquidates the foreclosed property) is not even income on the defaulting borrower's tax return. Not so if you live in 49 states, but it is so here in California! I estimated that, by 1965 standards, a family income of $140K would be required to qualify for a 100% mortgage to buy the "starter" home we are offering. Of course, no more than 80/10 would have been offered then. Today, 80/20 seems the norm, but the 20 is for reduced term and higher rate, so actually more than $140K income should be required to qualify. I have reason to believe that home "buyers" being shown our house typically make less than $50K. Sometimes there is obviously more than one family "cooperating" to buy. About eight people were led by a realtor through our house yesterday. They were disapointed that there were only three bedrooms. You would think their realtor would have already informed them! Well, we do count our blessings, and we can afford to wait for something reasonable to happen, having bought this home for our (now disabled) daughter's use when she was a college student, paying only a carefully calculated $71,233 in a HUD auction. The purchase served it's purpose, and then became a nice "piggy bank" ... so whatever happens will be OK. Well, this posting rambled long, longer than intended ... so back to the markets ...
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PITI = principal, interest, taxes, insurance
Now wait a second...
Isn't every time it enters escrow a "sale" is reported?!?
Got popcorn?
Neil
Hi Neil,
Not sure about that - that would grossly distort the sale numbers. Those should be called "pending".
I just shot off three emails to Melissa Data, TrendGraphix, and DataQuick. Let's see what they say.
Bearmaster,
Thank you. For I'm under the impression that when a home goes into escrow, the realtors (tm) report a sale. Funny... they don't subtract out those that "fall out of escrow." :)
Yes, we think of sale=closing. Normally, the difference is small enough that the "fresher number" is ok to report. Not right now.
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Neil
So far I have not heard from TrendGraphix or Melissa Data.
DataQuick has only responded with, "what business are you in and how can we help you?" I just said it wasn't business related, I was curious, and repeated my question.
Why is that such a difficult question to answer? (I didn't say that in my email, but sure wanted to!)
Melissa Data tells me that they get their data from the county recorder, which logs the sale about 1-3 weeks after escrow closes.
According to DataQuick, a sale is logged when escrow closes and a grant deed is filed with the local authority.
Bearmaster,
So I was mistaken. Ok. I now know the answer. Thank you. :)
That is the point of reading... learning!
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Neil
Neil,
Are you mistaken?
I still have not heard from TrendGraphix. And I still am very unclear about why Zillow and Domania, which presumably have access to the same sources of data (local recording authorities), nevertheless don't show the same numbers of sales in their data. Everybody should be showing the same number of sales for the same time period, right?
agh!
Just when I thought I understood the updated answer.
Yes, sales should be the same no matter which service. They should be "closed sales." But the LA times will never publish that number. ;)
I'm about to rent a place for a year lease. Not like I'm worried about the market direction. :) But oh... I'm hearing lots of chatter on where the aerospace companies might or might not go. No new facts, but a WAVE of contractors suddenly freed up. ??? In August to October, that makes sense. In February? Normally the opposite is happening as projects that were funded ramp up...
But maybe its just noise. But that noise has translated into a lot of calls to my cell phone.
Got popcorn?
Neil
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